Ruling request on Monks glowing eyes and hoods/helms

[Thrulia]

This has been causing me no end of problems lately and so I would like to request a ruling from the Hala staff on whether Monk's Glowing eyes can be identified while they wear a helm or hood, because they show through most I wear. I have seen it said that when a hood is on you cannot be identified unless you specifically allow yourself to be so..

Could we get a definitive ruling on this?

[Psye Shaar]

<@LostCause> That depends on how they're emoting it.. if they're emoting that the hood is concealing their face, you can't see the eyes... if not, you will see the glow

Basically, it's up to the one wearing the hood/helm to put the effort in, much like a disguised voice.

[Thrulia]

Thank you for the quick reply. I will ensure this is done from now on then.

[blue wolfy]

THanks, That helps me as too as I was always told that Coran's eye COULD be seen thru hoods and masks no mater what. With the possible exception, as a changling, she was in a stotic form that didnt show the glow eyes, though never got a clear answer on that.

[Sable]

well... to be fair, in order to see light must be able to pass in and out to your eyes. Therefore, for no light to be visible (your glowing eyes not to be seen), you must either have heavily obscured vision (and be emoting as much) or be effectively blind (and be emoting as much).

The deep hood obscuring the face is a great literary object, but in reality its a real pain in the butt. And even in the most dramatic of stories, eyes can usually be seen "glittering" from under said hood (really don't know why writers are so attached to that imagery).

[blue wolfy]

a 'shadowed' hood implies the face is in darkness, for a monk their eyes emit light, so even hooded it should be seen, now as for helms with slits for the eyes, again the light from a monk would show thru. Masks however that cover the entire face/head, like the tiger maskwold mask etc that have lenses/glass eyes, to see thu. those I say would hide the monk eyes.

[Xanthalas]

While I agree with Sable's logic, however, Mr. Wolfy, to see through lenses, or glass eyes, would require passage of light, again, applying Sable's logic.

Furthermore, this is a fantasy setting.

Monks have glowing eyes, not light-emitters.. A monk in total darkness, is still subject to the darkness, their eyes are not a light source, So in fact, one could reason that NWN/Bioware's representation of said Glowing Eyes, is flawed, and subject to discretion, as is posted by Psye, who left it up to the monk to actively deal with.

I would think that the actual effect, desired in a fantasy realm, for the "Glowing" eyes, is representative of inner focus, that is linked to the Monk's abilities and mannerisms, and such focus and power, may be, perhaps, controllable. And so if monk so wishes, to actively, hide their identity, or at least, presence, so much as to hide their eyes. Us fellow players, should support that, with appropriate RP, again, as per Psye's ruling.

[Dengar]

While I agree with Sable's logic, however, Mr. Wolfy, to see through lenses, or glass eyes, would require passage of light, again, applying Sable's logic.

Furthermore, this is a fantasy setting.

Monks have glowing eyes, not light-emitters.. A monk in total darkness, is still subject to the darkness, their eyes are not a light source, So in fact, one could reason that NWN/Bioware's representation of said Glowing Eyes, is flawed, and subject to discretion, as is posted by Psye, who left it up to the monk to actively deal with.

I would think that the actual effect, desired in a fantasy realm, for the "Glowing" eyes, is representative of inner focus, that is linked to the Monk's abilities and mannerisms, and such focus and power, may be, perhaps, controllable. And so if monk so wishes, to actively, hide their identity, or at least, presence, so much as to hide their eyes. Us fellow players, should support that, with appropriate RP, again, as per Psye's ruling.

Well said my friend, well said.