Taking down IC posts

Psye Shaar · Post by **Psye Shaar** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 2:01 pm

I'm not entirely sure if this has been brought up in the past, but if it has i've missed it...

When a post gets put up on an IC board that another persons PC would find IC'ly offensive, would they, under any circumstances, be permitted to have that particular post taken down with an emote underneath stating that it was ripped down in anger etc?

As enough have probably seen, Morgan's poem has started to become rather personal between PC's and it would be extremely unlikely that certain PC's would leave certain of the notes up on the wall.

The reason i've brought it up here rather than just asking a dm if anything can be altered is because I fugured it would be good to know as general information.

The main downside I can see to this is the DM's being inundated by people requesting every post that regards their PC to be removed - This is not the intention - I'm purely refering to notes that are direct insults against characters that would instill that kind of IC reaction.

All thoughts on this are welcome as there are no doubt a variety of perspectives on the matter, but what i don't want is the usual shit that seems to be dumped into every single new post put up - so keep it constructive please people

NWDuneAuron · Post by **NWDuneAuron** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 2:36 pm

PCs cannot remove posts made by other PCs. Only an NPC, controlled by a DM, with a legitimate reason to do so may. If PCs could, it'd be abused horrifically.

If you want to get back at someone who's insulting you.. swords work.

Psye Shaar · Post by **Psye Shaar** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 2:45 pm

I didn't mean for teh PC's themselves... I meant for it to be done by a DM through a request with a legitimate reason from the PC. Hense the emphasis on it only being done where it would invoke a strong response from said PC.

To say it can be solved with swords I don't agree with. It certainly wouldn't be IC for a various PC's to do it, which gives an unfair advantage to the rest as far as IC posts go. Often, the moral high ground would be to simply take down a note rather than respond to it.

The problem with it being left for all to see and not responded to, is that the one being chastised is either made to look weak or wrong, even if they aren't. This also includes getting drawn into petty arguments. Without being able to remove the post, it's always going to leave some in a lose/lose situation.

It gives a very strong advantage to nasty/evil PC's.

Jskee · Post by **Jskee** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 5:57 pm

Psye Shaar wrote:It gives a very strong advantage to nasty/evil PC's....

Nasty/evil PC's don't have to take the High road...so it's not an "advantage", it's realistic.

Psye Shaar · Post by **Psye Shaar** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 6:34 pm

You're missing the point...

Nasty/Stroke evil pc's can say whatever they like, knowing full well it's going to stay there. For a 'Good' PC to then not be able to remove that note means that from that perspective, they're at a disadvantage due to only being able to respond in certain ways courtesy of their allignment.

My PC's been given evil points just for being nasty to a PC he IC'ly should despise, so seeking physical revenge isn't something i'm going to take a chance on... and just saying "No he/she isn't" or "Yes he/she is" really doesn't do much for anything.

So.. once again, i say that from an IC'ly psychological perspective, not being able to take notes down would create that disadvantage

Days Awake · Post by **Days Awake** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 6:46 pm

I agree,no reason that someone couldnt remove something from them,IC'ly anyway.Hell someone could even smash the whole board to bits IC'ly,with the DM's aproval by all means of course.

NWDuneAuron · Post by **NWDuneAuron** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 6:55 pm

ICly, sure. But if people can just go to a DM to get a post removed, nothing even remotely interesting would ever stay on the boards. The answer is no.

Days Awake · Post by **Days Awake** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 6:57 pm

I'm speaking of IC'ly on the boards rip them down,not something rp'd in the game.And not having them actually removed from the board's physicly.

Jskee · Post by **Jskee** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 7:02 pm

Well, it really goes both ways. You're just looking at it as a negative for your char. It's always been a rule that PC's cannot remove posts unless they have a DM involved.

If you start removing notes, there's nothing to stop the other PC from posting again...and again...and again.

Again I disagree with you when you say, "So.. once again, i say that from an IC'ly psychological perspective, not being able to take notes down would create that disadvantage"

You just have to either choose to not respond, or respond IC'ly. Just because an evil/nasty pc chooses to post things you don't agree with, doesn't mean you're at a disadvantage by not being able to remove the posts. It's just a post, this pc is probably saying these things to everyone he/she meets...what are you gonna do next...silence them? Is that a "psychological disadvantage" because someone spreads rumors and nonsense?

Psye Shaar · Post by **Psye Shaar** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 7:06 pm

You just have to either choose to not respond, or respond IC'ly. Just because an evil/nasty pc chooses to post things you don't agree with, doesn't mean you're at a disadvantage by not being able to remove the posts. It's just a post, this pc is probably saying these things to everyone he/she meets...what are you gonna do next...silence them? Is that a "psychological disadvantage" because someone spreads rumors and nonsense?

I've already answered this here:

The problem with it being left for all to see and not responded to, is that the one being chastised is either made to look weak or wrong, even if they aren't. This also includes getting drawn into petty arguments. Without being able to remove the post, it's always going to leave some in a lose/lose situation.

In-game rumours are a different matter altogether because other people can comment on them immediately, as well as the introduction of the 'chinese whisper effect' which can do nothing but boost RP so long as it's always IC knowledge that is used.

Jskee · Post by **Jskee** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 7:09 pm

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Also, it's already been answered by Dune...twice.

Days Awake · Post by **Days Awake** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 7:10 pm

If the issue is resolved in game then perhaps the one posting have it removed or rp doing so on the boards.After all if it something someone put up there that was resolved they may not wish to be reminded of it.

NWDuneAuron · Post by **NWDuneAuron** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 7:38 pm

The answer is no.

Druid523 · Post by **Druid523** » Sat Nov 26, 2005 12:11 am

Not to circumvent Dune on this one (or maybe, yeah, to circumvent him), one could always just pm the person who posted the offending note oocly that they would like to icly rip down the note. If the poster of the note agrees to his/her note being torn down and wouldn't mind if it were mentioned on the forums..."So-and-so reads Niko's note and tears it down in anger" and then Jskee deletes his post to reflect it's being torn down. The poster of the note has every right to delete his own post. So just talk amongst yourselves (the players) if you really want to have a note torn down for ic reasons. If both agree, what's the problem?

P.S.: And it's my hope that most players would agree if someone wanted to roleplay tearing down a note. As wonderfully written as one's post is, I'm sure enough people have read it by the time it's taken down for your masterpiece to have made its effect and no one really loses out. Let's be considerate of other players.

NWDuneAuron · Post by **NWDuneAuron** » Sat Nov 26, 2005 12:21 am

Druid523 wrote:Not to circumvent Dune on this one (or maybe, yeah, to circumvent him), one could always just pm the person who posted the offending note oocly that they would like to icly rip down the note. If the poster of the note agrees to his/her note being torn down and wouldn't mind if it were mentioned on the forums..."So-and-so reads Niko's note and tears it down in anger" and then Jskee deletes his post to reflect it's being torn down. The poster of the note has every write to delete his own post. So just talk amongst yourselves (the players) if you really want to have a note torn down for ic reasons. If both agree, what's the problem?

P.S.: And it's my hope that most players would agree if someone wanted to roleplay tearing down a note. As wonderfully written as one's post is, I'm sure enough people have read it by the time it's taken down for your masterpiece to have made its effect and no one really loses out. Let's be considerate of other players.

No problem here, it's agreed between players. The no is to having DMs enforce taking a note down on another player. That will not happen. Make what agreements like this you want.

Days Awake · Post by **Days Awake** » Sat Nov 26, 2005 12:48 am

didnt I say that?

Druid523 · Post by **Druid523** » Sat Nov 26, 2005 1:03 am

Hahah, you did. I just felt it needed to be clarified. Sorry!

Grimm · Post by **Grimm** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 5:19 am

The answer is no simply because the "bartender" that monitors the boards is CR 50 and he will wtf pwn you if you mess with his message board.

Druid523 · Post by **Druid523** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 3:01 am

Damn, you type slowly...

Jskee · Post by **Jskee** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 5:44 am

Druid523 wrote:Damn, you type slowly...

He's not slow....he's "special"!

Good to see you are still around Sam.

Jskee

Grimm · Post by **Grimm** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 5:54 am

*sets multi-month timer for his next random post*

Traces Of Reality · Post by **Traces Of Reality** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 12:36 pm

*pickpockets Grimm until his inventory is empty and casually walks off with both hands in her pockets whistling*