Gate spell

albonia · Post by **albonia** » Sun Dec 19, 2004 2:02 pm

I love the new way the gate spell has been done on Avlis. Now you can summon things according to your alignment. It makes the spell a good one for clerics. And its far better than summoning an evil balor which most good clerics would not do.

Any chance of having it done this way on Hala.

VIpAcT · Post by **VIpAcT** » Sun Dec 19, 2004 3:17 pm

If someone does the code stuffs, I would make the 'balanced' creatures.

Gairus · Post by **Gairus** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 6:13 am

*pokes vipact* Not as good as the avlis ones, for the love of Almara.

They turn parties into optional extras :p

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 6:45 am

Something on my long list of things to do is make a summoning book. The book will allow you to set which type of creature you want to summon with a certain spell. Also, summons should be considerably more powerful than they currently are. Dragon Knight, for example, might as well be a dire rat with a fear aura.

MorphlingROR · Post by **MorphlingROR** » Sat Dec 25, 2004 7:29 pm

Gairus wrote:*pokes vipact* Not as good as the avlis ones, for the love of Almara.

They turn parties into optional extras :p

Bah, they are great but not as good as people think. At least my ant takes so long to buff that everything is over once it finishes doing that. I even had to cast Haste on it

Void Hamlet · Post by **Void Hamlet** » Sat Dec 25, 2004 9:49 pm

I remember a case with summoning (methinks it was exactly gate spell with clerics) which summoned forth a baalor, and if you had no protection from evil casted on yourself it attacked you ... Anyone recall such a thing?

Odin Hammersong · Post by **Odin Hammersong** » Wed Jan 12, 2005 10:52 pm

Yep. I remember that as well. I'm not sure if it's that way in the PHB, but I know it was once that way for NWN. I'm not sure if it's still true, I would assume so. I remember summoning a balor in a party, and I had forgot to mention to my evil cohorts to protect themselves from evil.

shortly thereafter I was busy memorizing Raise Dead spells.

This was about 3 years ago, though, obviously not on Hala.

--Odin

hewhorocks · Post by **hewhorocks** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 7:40 am

I believe it was the N.I.B. version of the gate spell that did this.

Starslayer_D · Post by **Starslayer_D** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 2:07 pm

Avlis and bioware versions of gate create hostile summons, still.. cast PfG or PfE before summoning....

Khaelindra · Post by **Khaelindra** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 3:10 pm

Starslayer_D wrote:Avlis and bioware versions of gate create hostile summons, still.. cast PfG or PfE before summoning....

Star, isn't it true that on Avlis you can choose which summon you take regardless of own alignment?

Flakey · Post by **Flakey** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 3:15 pm

Khaelindra wrote: Star, isn't it true that on Avlis you can choose which summon you take regardless of own alignment?

Yes amonien summons an angel.

So did Moredo once without protection, amusing to watch him getting attacked by it in Elf Gate.

Khaelindra · Post by **Khaelindra** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 3:25 pm

Flakey wrote:
Khaelindra wrote: Star, isn't it true that on Avlis you can choose which summon you take regardless of own alignment?
Yes amonien summons an angel.

So did Moredo once without protection, amusing to watch him getting attacked by it in Elf Gate.

Moredo...summons? Damn, i wanna be a monk too...

AuroraStar · Post by **AuroraStar** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 5:49 pm

New here but as far as Im conserned it does make since. So if it can be done here more power to you!

Starslayer_D · Post by **Starslayer_D** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 1:16 pm

Evil casters need to cast protection rfom good if they want to summon a good creature, or.. see sumon mishaps.

In general, while I find the summoned creatures evry good, they are way, way to powerfull.

I right now ask myself why I took the epic feat dragon knight when my gated summons on avlis is so much more powerfull.

(Any caster cam, with sucha summons shielding him, solo pretty much anything)

Odin Hammersong · Post by **Odin Hammersong** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 3:33 pm

Starslayer_D wrote:Evil casters need to cast protection rfom good if they want to summon a good creature, or.. see sumon mishaps.

In general, while I find the summoned creatures evry good, they are way, way to powerfull.

I right now ask myself why I took the epic feat dragon knight when my gated summons on avlis is so much more powerfull.

(Any caster cam, with sucha summons shielding him, solo pretty much anything)

Because one Dismissal or WoF spell and you're all alone?

--Odin

WrathoG777 · Post by **WrathoG777** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 3:55 pm

Starslayer_D wrote:Evil casters need to cast protection rfom good if they want to summon a good creature, or.. see sumon mishaps.

In general, while I find the summoned creatures evry good, they are way, way to powerfull.

I right now ask myself why I took the epic feat dragon knight when my gated summons on avlis is so much more powerfull.

(Any caster cam, with sucha summons shielding him, solo pretty much anything)

THAT is the broken part in this statement. Not the new gate.

Khaelindra · Post by **Khaelindra** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 4:25 pm

Odin Hammersong wrote:
Starslayer_D wrote:Evil casters need to cast protection rfom good if they want to summon a good creature, or.. see sumon mishaps.

In general, while I find the summoned creatures evry good, they are way, way to powerfull.

I right now ask myself why I took the epic feat dragon knight when my gated summons on avlis is so much more powerfull.

(Any caster cam, with sucha summons shielding him, solo pretty much anything)

Because one Dismissal or WoF spell and you're all alone?

--Odin

And of course the majority of opponents have that spell...

Odin Hammersong · Post by **Odin Hammersong** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 4:42 pm

I've only fought one creature here who cast WoF, but I have fought several across CoPaP. It is applicable, in my book.

--Odin

Sable · Post by **Sable** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 8:04 pm

Saying something as OK because there is a spell that counters it, makes as much sense as saying Dev Crit without a save would be OK if there was a feat only available to fighters that made you immune.

There are more classes in D&D than just the casters.

Khaelindra · Post by **Khaelindra** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 12:01 am

Dev Crit isn't strong at all because i can change into a form that is immune to criticals...

Psye Shaar · Post by **Psye Shaar** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:24 am

Just wondered if the gate spell was ever changed on Hala?

Going to be a while yet before Tris can cast it, but it'll be pretty much useless to him if the only thing he can summon is a Balor...

You can imagine the reaction -

1st Bystander - Did that man in the Celestial Order Uniform just summon a Balor?
2nd Bystander - Looks that way... well i always knew they couldn't be trusted...

As is the general way these nasty rumours can start....

I've only fought one creature here who cast WoF, but I have fought several across CoPaP. It is applicable, in my book.

I can quite honestly say Word of Faith is becoming an increasingly popular spell for the NPC's i've been up against lately.... Seem to spend half the time fighting blind... not to mention party members dying around me...

Don't think Tris has ever been dp'd as frequently as the last couple of weeks, but it all adds to the challenge.. and that's where the fun is

Anyway.. back to my original question... is this still on the books to be implemented?

For any that haven't seen, this has been discussed on the Avlis boards quite a bit: http://www.avlis.org/viewtopic.php?t=51981

NWDuneAuron · Post by **NWDuneAuron** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 11:38 am

Gate is still the Bioware version on Hala.

Psye Shaar · Post by **Psye Shaar** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 11:51 am

What i wanted to know was if it's likely to be changed....?

Post by **Arkon** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:52 pm

If we can get the script, then yes, it will be changed.

Starslayer_D · Post by **Starslayer_D** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:12 pm

And epic dragon summons? I actualyl like it that the duration is much longer now on Hala

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